17:35:15 From Ramses Oudt : Thanks! 17:35:21 From Dmitry Monin : Sure! :) 17:36:06 From Haider Al-Mosawi : Love them, Dmitry!! 17:36:39 From Haider Al-Mosawi : They're beautiful, actually. And sketches have their own charm 😍 17:37:00 From Bruno Winck : + 1for several steps 17:37:44 From Ryan N Johnson : I'm happy. 17:37:55 From Ramses Oudt : I’m also happy with my process 17:37:58 From Ramses Oudt : Since Roam 17:38:48 From Haider Al-Mosawi : I'm JUST fiddling with Roam now. My notes HQ is TaskPaper. 17:38:51 From Bruno Winck : Happy but still improving 17:39:17 From joaogui : I used Roam, moved to Org-roam and I'm now using Obsidian 17:40:26 From Kristijan Ivancic : What makes Obsidian > Roam for you? 17:40:57 From joaogui : Frankly I moved away from Roam because of the cost and some stuff Connor was doing 17:41:15 From joaogui : But obsidian is self-hosted, which is pretty nice 17:41:19 From Anne-Laure Le Cunff To Rachel Liu(privately) : John has cards as well! 17:41:39 From Kristijan Ivancic : Fair enough. :) 17:41:42 From joaogui : And it's developing quite fast, I think last week they shipped some 4 updates 17:42:08 From Kristijan Ivancic : I stumbled upon Zettlr which is also a Markdown style tool with Zettelkasten functionality: https://zettlr.com/ 17:42:17 From Kristijan Ivancic : Now I’ll have to take Obsidian into consideration lol 17:42:32 From joaogui : They also have a pretty cool community 17:42:39 From Mike Tannenbaum : Can someone link to Obsidian? I haven’t seen it 17:42:44 From Russ Barker : I'm trying to decide between Obsidian, RemNote, and Roam. Using mostly Roam right now. Also use Notion for projects. 17:42:54 From joaogui : the devs are constantly talking to users and are nice people 17:42:57 From joaogui : https://obsidian.md/ 17:43:11 From Mike Tannenbaum : Ty! 17:43:46 From Russ Barker : Obsidian has an active discord channel too 17:44:35 From James Mulholland : Sounds like lots of terms that I’ve heard Andy Matuschak use https://notes.andymatuschak.org/About_these_notes 17:44:59 From Kristijan Ivancic : Yeah that’s the prime example of that system :) 17:45:02 From Ramses Oudt : I think Andy has been influenced a lot by Sönke Ahrens IIRC 17:45:21 From MĂ©lanie : link to the book please 17:45:58 From Anne-Laure Le Cunff : Type “How to Take Smart Notes Book” in Google 17:46:05 From Ramses Oudt : Ah TaskPaper is in Setapp, going to check it out :-) 17:46:10 From MĂ©lanie : thanks, wasn't sure about the title :) 17:46:10 From Anne-Laure Le Cunff : I can never remember how to type his name 17:48:33 From Ramses Oudt : I’ve heard Andy Matuschak mention that he tags depending on how he wants to encounter information, instead of basing links on the contents of the note 17:49:39 From Anne-Laure Le Cunff : https://otter.ai 17:50:15 From Dmitry Monin : It was exactly something like I was searching for.. 17:50:25 From Dmitry Monin : will take a look 17:50:31 From Bruno Winck : You can even connect zoom and otter.ai :) 17:50:47 From Anne-Laure Le Cunff : Great tip! 17:50:48 From Russ Barker : yes, otto is great 17:50:56 From Haider Al-Mosawi : I struggle with categorizing by topic, project, and time. Tags would work best here, but I still don't have a system for that. 17:53:30 From Ramses Oudt : Ha I wish I could think idea through by talking about it. I need text to think clearly 17:53:42 From Massimo Curatella : +1 17:53:45 From Massimo Curatella : ++++++1 17:54:10 From Ramses Oudt : @Haider think in a network, not in silos 17:54:33 From Ramses Oudt : Think about how you want to reencounter the notes, don’t tag based on the contents of the note 17:55:03 From Haider Al-Mosawi : Great tip, Ramses. Thanks! 17:55:18 From Haider Al-Mosawi : So network means: a note (node) can have several connections? 17:55:49 From joaogui : Yep 17:55:50 From Ramses Oudt : Yes, that’s the idea Roam is built around 17:55:55 From Kristijan Ivancic : For Andy Matuschak + Zettelkasten + Roam fans, there’s a wild video tutorial of a professor using Roam to create a Zettelkasten system to do academic research: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6PIrVZoZAk 17:55:57 From Michal Korzonek : This “technique” might make this thinking process even better: 17:55:58 From Michal Korzonek : https://sivers.org/ment 17:56:22 From Ramses Oudt : @Kristijan I have notes about that 17:56:29 From Kristijan Ivancic : Same xD 17:56:30 From Ramses Oudt : Let me put them in my public Roam DB 17:57:38 From Amie : Me :) 17:58:18 From Ramses Oudt : That’s what I was wondering with Otter.ai: how messy are the notes? 17:58:37 From Bruno Winck : Booklet in my pocket during walks ; enough 17:58:41 From Massimo Curatella : 90-95% 17:58:47 From Puneet : I personally just get it transcribed 17:58:54 From Puneet : Everything. 17:59:21 From Ramses Oudt : Notes from Robert Haisfield’s chat with Joel Chan: https://roamresearch.com/#/app/rroudt-public/page/Yi_Galkgh 17:59:41 From Ramses Oudt : Still need to do a second pass of the video, it was DENSE 17:59:58 From Puneet : Has anyone used Dragon Naturally Speaking 17:59:59 From Paul Sturrock : That’s a good problem to have! 18:00:51 From Kristijan Ivancic : @Ramses I see some Nat Eliason wisdom in there. Have you gone through his course? :D 18:00:57 From Ramses Oudt : Yep ;-) 18:01:11 From Ramses Oudt : But working on my own system, will publish a series on my bog soon 18:01:19 From Kristijan Ivancic : Nat Eliason's School: Effortless Output with Roam: learn.nateliason.com 18:01:21 From Massimo Curatella : I am hinting at my process in my blog if you're curious https://curatella.com/how-i-write/ 18:01:32 From Haider Al-Mosawi : I tried voice notes, but didn't give it enough time to become a practice. 18:01:34 From Ramses Oudt : Nice, thanks Massimo! 18:01:38 From Massimo Curatella : +1 18:02:02 From Massimo Curatella : Ramses please link me your blog. thanks 18:02:20 From Ramses Oudt : It’ll go up tomorrow, but it’s ramses.blog 18:02:26 From Ramses Oudt : https://ramses.blog 18:02:29 From Massimo Curatella : I have to run! please connect with me if you want massimo@curatella.com 18:02:36 From Massimo Curatella : thanks A-L! 18:02:49 From James Mulholland : Bye! 18:03:33 From MĂ©lanie : I save a looot of articles on Pocket but forget to read them and take notes. Anny Pocket users who have good hacks/processes ? 18:04:39 From Ramses Oudt : I use Instapaper, had the same problem, but there’s no hack. The solution: be more strict with what you save and set aside time daily to read 18:04:39 From Paul Sturrock : I switched to Instapaper from Pocket because of how easy it is to take notes and highlight 18:04:44 From Bruno Winck : @melanier: pocket what I will never read :) 18:05:13 From Haider Al-Mosawi : @Bruno Haha! 18:05:20 From MĂ©lanie : haha indeed 18:05:28 From Kumy : Yep, I called bankruptcy and achieved all. Was calming. No hack, other than making time / space for reading. 18:05:39 From James Mulholland : I’ve been using a text expander snippet to link Roam pages to PDFs: 18:05:44 From Ramses Oudt : Instapaper is cheaper, actually syncs notes across devices (impossible with Pocket, at least until beginning this year) 18:05:49 From MĂ©lanie : I ll have a look at instapaper and be more disciplined 18:05:57 From Ramses Oudt : Use Zotero for PDFs! 18:05:57 From James Mulholland : `,uuid` gives me a random int that I can use to easily search things 18:06:01 From Haider Al-Mosawi : I think "read later" services may require an expiry feature. We probably need to let go of the thought of trying to read everything that seems interesting we come across 18:06:12 From Ramses Oudt : Ah he suses Zotero haha 18:06:14 From Michal Korzonek : +1 Haider 18:06:20 From MĂ©lanie : Ramses I could Always sync Pocket between deivces even with free versions 18:06:50 From Ramses Oudt : On iPhone it wouldn’t sync highlights and notes to the web, even had contact with them and they admitted that didn’t work 18:07:30 From Haider Al-Mosawi : I don't want to share my experiences with this. Not too comfortable with crying in public. 18:07:49 From Raphael Sisa : Haider :) 18:08:19 From Kumy : but
Crying in public is the new learning in public 18:08:48 From Bruno Winck : Read soon = open tabs 18:08:49 From Haider Al-Mosawi : @Kumy Haha! I'll work my way up to that. 18:08:53 From James Mulholland : #sobsquad 18:09:06 From Bruno Winck : Then tabs bankruptcy :) 18:09:09 From Haider Al-Mosawi : @James đŸ€Ł 18:09:21 From Anne-Laure Le Cunff : I’m #TooManyTabs team 18:10:11 From Bruno Winck : I use both, ie: never open it 18:10:20 From Kristijan Ivancic : Plugging a friend’s amazing post re: crying 18:10:21 From Kristijan Ivancic : https://nibrasi.co.uk/the-lost-art-of-crying 18:10:29 From Ben Mercer : Yeah I’m Sir Tabsalot as well 18:10:40 From Kumy : Using Workona for tab management - nice to boot up different tabs for different contexts i.e. personal / work. 18:11:25 From Bruno Winck : What about speed reading / skimming and store it vs read later 18:11:32 From Kristijan Ivancic : Does anyone have a “weekly review” practice? One of the steps in my review process is to “Drain reading inbox”. 18:11:33 From Haider Al-Mosawi : @Puneet Thanks for sharing 18:11:35 From Anusha : Would you suggest any tools / combination of tools for the Reading Inbox? 18:11:58 From Anne-Laure Le Cunff : I manage my reading inbox in Roam, but lots of people use Pocket or Instapaper + their note taking app (Evernote etc) 18:12:22 From Haider Al-Mosawi : @Kristijan So your reading list is one week long, no more? 18:12:27 From Ramses Oudt : @Bruno I always skim/speedread an article before saving it to Instapaper 18:13:23 From Kristijan Ivancic : @Haider not necessarily, it just means I definitely look at the inbox at least once a week. And I delete stuff that’s no longer interesting + schedule reading the best finds. 18:13:46 From Ramses Oudt : I’m curious to hear what people’s process is to turn notes into writing. 18:13:47 From Kristijan Ivancic : Some stuff still accumulates, but this way I know I’ll come back to it and surface + schedule the best stuff 18:14:07 From Massimo Curatella : I have article saved from 1995... 18:14:13 From Massimo Curatella : read MUCH later 18:14:29 From Ramses Oudt : Where did you find it Massimo, on a floppy disk? 18:14:44 From Massimo Curatella : of course. wanna see? 18:14:44 From Ben Mercer : +for Ramses question on process for creation 18:14:52 From Haider Al-Mosawi : @Kristijan OK excellent. So the reading list is organized and "pruned" (using mind garden lingo 😬) 18:15:01 From Kristijan Ivancic : exactly ;) 18:15:05 From Bruno Winck : How many posts your read per day, not in depth but in more than 2min? 18:16:15 From Bruno Winck : Rarely write on my readings, two different domains 18:17:06 From Ramses Oudt : I like the model that Tiago Forte and David Perell teach: intermediate packets. So you take your notes, make a tweet, then a thread, maybe put it in your newsletter, before writing an article 18:17:26 From Ben Mercer : Yeah my notes tend to inform my writing much further down the track rather than get repurposed immediately 18:17:56 From Dmitry Monin : Moonwalking with Einstein, great book on that topic 18:18:48 From Ramses Oudt : Hmmmm I have it on my reading list, need to read it as well 18:19:07 From VitĂłria Neves : Love Memrise!!! 18:21:49 From MĂ©lanie : you froze :/ 18:21:49 From Ben Mercer : Be a good screenshot 18:21:49 From Kristijan Ivancic : So who’s the host now? :D 18:21:49 From James Mulholland : Thought I accidentally hit mute somehow 18:21:50 From VitĂłria Neves : :D 18:21:59 From Bruno Winck : yes` 18:22:43 From Milos Milosevic : Thanks Dmitry. Just ordered Moonwalking with Einstein 18:23:14 From Bruno Winck : We need a book list :) 18:23:21 From VitĂłria Neves : Agreed! 18:23:34 From Anne-Laure Le Cunff : Richard Feynman 18:23:35 From Dmitry Monin : Sure :) 18:24:01 From Ramses Oudt : Book list + a place to share notes 18:24:10 From Ramses Oudt : Or at least link to notes 18:24:11 From Milos Milosevic : Book list would be great for this group. Agreed! 18:24:11 From Puneet : The most useful skill for an educator 18:24:28 From James Mulholland : Interestingly, this technique is not directly from Feynman himself. Apparently, Scott Young coined the term when he imagined what Feynman would have done learning things 18:24:45 From James Mulholland : https://www.scotthyoung.com/blog/ultralearning/ 18:24:54 From Michal Korzonek : Ultralearning is great 18:25:13 From Ramses Oudt : Yeah, but it’s based on some quotes by Feynman on how he thought you could check if you really grasp an idea 18:25:45 From Ramses Oudt : Scott’s work is great 18:26:07 From Ben Mercer : Has anyone read Micromastery? Sounds similar to Ultralearning 18:26:08 From Ben Mercer : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Micromastery-Little-Skills-Help-Happiness/dp/0241280044 18:26:15 From Dmitry Monin : Unfortunately have to leave already now. Thanks everyone for such interesting conversation. See you next time! 18:26:32 From Puneet : 95% of new creation is Inspiration 18:26:47 From Ramses Oudt : Steal Like an Artist by Austin Kleon! 18:26:59 From Ben Mercer : Virgil Abloh - 3% new 18:27:02 From Ramses Oudt : You rephrase an idea, it’s your explanation now 18:27:02 From Anne-Laure Le Cunff : https://nesslabs.com/combinational-creativity 18:27:15 From Haider Al-Mosawi : Stealing from one person is plagiarism. Stealing from multiple people is research. 18:27:30 From Puneet : @Haider, loved the comment 18:27:32 From Haider Al-Mosawi : I stole that quote... slightly paraphrased. 18:28:36 From MĂ©lanie : love that quote :) 18:28:40 From MĂ©lanie : saving the article 18:28:48 From James Mulholland : See also Mark Ronson’s TED talk for a musical analogy for this: https://www.ted.com/talks/mark_ronson_how_sampling_transformed_music 18:29:01 From Puneet : To be a source of light , you can either be Sun or a mirror that reflects it ;) 18:30:23 From Haider Al-Mosawi : @Puneet đŸ”„ 18:30:43 From Michal Korzonek : thanks a lot 18:30:48 From Ben Mercer : Thanks!