Welcome to this edition of our Tools for Thought series, where we interview founders on a mission to help people work smarter. Chris Pedregal is the founder of Granola, an AI notepad designed for people in back-to-back meetings. Granola transcribes your meeting, takes your raw notes, and enhances them so you can turn your meetings to work.
In this interview, we talked about the added friction of traditionally-managed meetings, the benefits of AI note-taking during meetings, why bots are awkward in video calls, how we might work alongside AI in the future, and much more. Enjoy the read!
Hi Chris, thanks for agreeing to this interview! When did you become interested in helping people have ââcalmer, more productive meetings?
Thanks for having me! You know, itâs funny â the interest didnât actually start with meetings specifically. My cofounder Sam and I are both nerds for productivity tools. We believe that the tools you use have a huge impact on how effective you can be, how fulfilling your work feels.
When we started thinking about this, it was before ChatGPT came out. GPT-3 was already available, and from that it was obvious to us that it and models like it would fundamentally transform the tools we use to get work done. Thereâs a window for toolmakers like us to invent the ways weâll do work alongside AI in the future. And thatâs an incredibly exciting thing to be working on.
So thatâs what inspired you to build Granola.
Yes, exactly. Sam and I are both very product-minded people, and we knew it would be helpful to have a focused use case to design an experience around. We explicitly didnât want to just design a generic AI productivity tool from the start. We wanted a unique point of view that would let us be more focused with the initial thing we built.
Before building, we talked to a bunch of friends about their work lives. We explored their challenges, what frustrates them, where they waste time â that kind of stuff. The meeting problem came up again and again.
For people whose jobs revolve around meetings, your work life can often feel out of control. Your day is full of back-to-back meetings, each creating follow-up work that you donât have time to deal with in the moment. That work just stacks up.
The folks we spoke to felt like they were suffering under all the little things that come out of meetings â scheduling the next one, writing a summary, coordinating action items, filing support tickets, writing memos. Itâs all menial stuff, but if each meeting spawns 15-30 minutes of work, and you have a day full of meetings, that ends up being a significant amount of time at the end of each day.
Meetings also have some great properties as a category to build a new product around. They have a clear start and end, so you can design a coherent experience around them. Itâs one of the few product categories where you can notify people multiple times a day and they actually welcome it, which helps hugely in forming a habit around the product.
They also have a built in growth mechanic â itâs a natural moment for the app to spread from one person to another. All this made meetings feel like a great starting point, from which we could prove out an initially useful tool before expanding into being a more generally useful AI-native workspace.
What do you think are the benefits of using an AI notetaker during meetings?
By far the biggest benefit we hear is that it helps people be more present in the meeting. It frees you up to focus on the person in front of you, and only note down the stuff that really matters to you.
Ever spent a whole meeting jotting chicken scratch notes on a sheet of paper, only to realize after that you canât even remember what you meant to write? With note-takers like Granola you instead get a beautifully formatted set of notes that will be much more useful and shareable.
People who use Granola value their thinking and judgment. Theyâre really not well-served by a meeting bot that just joins the meeting and sends a generic summary. As we like to say, writing is thinking, and with Granola youâre able to get the best of both worlds. You still write the things that matter to you, but you can relax about having to note all the details. Granolaâs got that.
But that assumes youâll actually put those notes to use.
Youâre right, it does. What we actually see is people use notes for some specific things: sharing with others and reminding their future self what was talked about. But for everything else they tend to prefer just âchattingâ with the transcript. Itâs a very precise way to answer the question on your mind.
Zooming out, notes for us have always felt like the beginning of the journey, but not the be-all and end-all. In the future tools like Granola wonât just help with the notes, theyâll be queuing up and completing the action items too (more on that later).
That sounds great. So, how does Granola work exactly?
When you use Granola, it feels a lot like a regular note-taking app, like Apple Notes or Google Docs. We designed it on purpose to feel familiar. But when youâre using Granola, you no longer need to worry about noting down every single thing thatâs being talked about in the meeting. You can focus on just writing down the things that really matter to you.
In the background, Granola transcribes the whole meeting. It takes whatever notes youâve written as a starting point, tidies them up, makes them nice to read, and fleshes out the bits you missed. What you end up with is a set of notes that is a true reflection of what you care about (not just a generic Zoom summary), but also has the meat of the meeting and the things you would have missed.
And it does all this without being a bot in the video call, which is important. People hate these bots â theyâre awkward, they take up space in your Zoom call, theyâre overly invasive: recording audio and video. Granola does none of that, and people really love that about it.
When you say it works on all platforms, what do you mean?
We do all the transcription through the system audio in your laptop, so we donât need to be a bot in your Zoom, Teams, or Meet call. You can use Granola with anything â FaceTime, WhatsApp, Zoom, Google Meet, Slack huddles, you name it. People even use it to take notes on YouTube videos or podcasts!
What kind of people use Granola?
Our classic archetype is someone whose day is filled with externally facing, back-to-back meetings. So that could mean founders, investors, sales, customer support, recruiting, user research, or many other roles.
One thing I found thatâs really interesting is that Granolaâs user base skews very senior. We have a disproportionate volume of founders and leaders using Granola. Last time we counted, we had like 11 or 12 founders of unicorn companies. We have partners from almost all the top VC firms using Granola. We even have a couple of C-suite people in Fortune 500 level companies.
The through-line here is that itâs incredibly busy people, who really value their own judgment and insight on the conversation. Itâs not enough to get a generic AI summary – it needs to be led by the key things that matter to them.
What about you, how do you use Granola?
First and foremost I use it for every meeting. Usually, I still take quite a lot of notes, but those notes are scrappy â mostly keywords and ideas with no grammar or structure. I trust that when the meeting ends Granola will make them useful. I use it to take down user stories when Iâm talking to users. I use it to pull out the highlights when interviewing engineering candidates.
Some more left-field ways I use it: I often use it in initial kickoff meetings for a product or feature or even a blog post. Weâll put on Granola in the office, and weâll talk about what we want to do. Then afterwards, I use Granola to help me write the spec or even draft a blog post.
And finally⌠Whatâs next for Granola?
There are three high-level things that have me really excited. The first is unlocking the value from many meetings at a time, not just a single meeting.
Currently you can only interact with Granola one meeting at a time, but imagine in future being able to ask questions of a whole history of meetings, or pull out insights, like product feedback or interesting quotes, from a whole cluster of meetings.
The second is doing the above, but for a whole company. When a whole team starts using Granola, the value should compound. Thereâs so much useful insight that could be pulled from a yearâs worth of customer calls, for example â with Granola and the rapid progression in AI models I think weâll be there very soon.
The third and final one is helping people with the actual work around meetings. Beyond taking notes, can Granola be scheduling follow-ups, creating tickets from bug reports, sending feedback to a different team in the company, or writing up a follow-up email.
I think thereâs huge potential here to start winning back meaningful chunks of time from peoplesâ days here â itâs also an incredibly fun problem to be sinking our teeth into!
Thank you so much for your time, Chris! Where can people learn more about Granola?
Download Granola and read more on our website. Use it for a few meetings, and if you do, let us know what you think. Follow us on X for updates. Weâre also looking for software engineers and a marketing generalist to come join us in London. If thatâs you, get in touch!